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02-03
$英伟达(NVDA)$
我觉得有点奇怪,DeepSeek使用的不就是英伟达的芯片吗?就算他算力再便宜,他也要买芯片,怎么会跌得这么厉害又不是他自己造了芯片。
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操刀鬼
02-04
操刀鬼
不用觉得奇怪,其实很好理解,以前所有人工智能都是基于英伟达cuda语言编程的,deepseek绕开了cuda,就是说,可以用英伟达,也可以用其他芯片,这就打破了英伟达对人工智能的垄断。顺便说一下,deepseek目前已经适配华为升腾、摩尔线程、ADM一众处理器,只要它想,甚至可以适配你的手机芯片,十几年前的树莓派芯片
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操刀鬼
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啊?我只是告诉你原理,为啥变成杠精了…deepseek的ptx优化只适用于英伟达而已,没法移植到其他芯片,其他芯片用不了也暂时达不到这个效能,这个指的是训练阶段。推理的话替代很多了,本身和cuda没那么大关联。我也想绕过英伟达,租用他家芯片训练太累了,无奈现实就是没办法呀,deepseek自己也是英伟达GPU训练的[捂脸]
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ptx只是指令集,每个芯片都有底层的指令集,很多款芯片都开始适配deepseek了,接下来都可以用英伟达也可以不用英伟达了,这都不算绕开,你们这些杠精嘴真硬
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要咱命3000
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英伟达确实是最好的那一批,现实是大家开始关注的是单位算力的售价了,而不是关注哪一款更好,英伟达垄断的时候,你卖天价,别人没得选,现在有平替,英伟达接下来就进入单位算力售价开卷的时代,慢慢卷吧
要咱命3000
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deepseek没有用cuda,但是用了ptx,这个也是英伟达生态的指令集,所以并没有绕开英伟达这一说,cuda可以认为是对ptx的高级封装,用起来更简单但是缺少更极致的优化,但说到底都还是英伟达建立的生态。目前来讲这个生态确实还是垄断地位,起码训练层面是这样的。推理层面确实可以有很多平替了,但英伟达仍然是最好那一批里的。
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大平头
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框架没错,deepseek自己给自己优化了一个框架,独立于cuda之外,自己去看看论文,不要整天晕乎乎的
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神郭嘉
02-04
神郭嘉
首先是需求的整体下降,其次护城河的崩溃,最后是B端议价能力下降[开心]
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穷不达
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不是自媒体,是中国央视新闻跟香港翡翠台都有报道的
穷不达
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😂 少看点自媒体
要咱命3000
02-04
要咱命3000
其实主要还是英伟达泡沫太大,这个泡沫主要还是基于算力需求需要继续暴涨的逻辑去吹起来的,但是deepseek证明了我也许可以通过优化算法解决,不一定要堆硬件(比如所说的deepseek没有用cuda就是为了解决英伟达老型号gpu带宽不足导致训练效率不高的问题,那就意味着我不用追求更贵的硬件也能高效训练),基于这个考虑,各大公司都可能会走优化算法的路线,虽然还是绕不开英伟达,还都是基于它的生态去优化,但大家对其未来的增长就没有那么乐观了。
马甲
02-04
马甲
市场情绪不一样。虽然他会涨回来。但是过了热恋期,开始要考虑彩礼的现实问题
李乐同
02-04
李乐同
因为限制出口,反而还有货。 [财迷]
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