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- ToottootToottoot
  ·2021-08-04
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  RLX Technology rose over 11% in premarket trading<blockquote>RLX科技盘前交易涨超11%</blockquote>
  (August 4) RLX Technology rose over 11% in premarket trading. RLX once rose 15% a few minutes ago.Th
  RLX Technology rose over 11% in premarket trading<blockquote>RLX科技盘前交易涨超11%</blockquote>
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- ToottootToottoot
  ·2021-06-25
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  ·2021-06-25
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  ·2021-06-25
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- ToottootToottoot
  ·2021-06-22
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- ToottootToottoot
  ·2021-06-22
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  This Big Tech Stock Is Always on Sale<blockquote>这只大型科技股总是在打折</blockquote>
  Tencent’s anchor shareholder Prosus has revealed the value of its $39 billion portfolio of startups—
  This Big Tech Stock Is Always on Sale<blockquote>这只大型科技股总是在打折</blockquote>
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22:43","market":"us","language":"en","title":"This Big Tech Stock Is Always on Sale<blockquote>这只大型科技股总是在打折</blockquote>","url":"https://stock-news.laohu8.com/highlight/detail?id=1188659531","media":"The Wall Street Journal","summary":"Tencent’s anchor shareholder Prosus has revealed the value of its $39 billion portfolio of startups—","content":"<p>  Tencent’s anchor shareholder Prosus has revealed the value of its $39 billion portfolio of startups—and the full extent of its discount problem  <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7190040397780616cd6d06eb9b8f423c\" tg-width=\"879\" tg-height=\"513\">Getting 50% off isn’t such an unmissable opportunity when there is no end to the discounting in sight.</p><p><blockquote>腾讯控股的主要股东Prosus透露了其390亿美元初创公司投资组合的价值以及其折扣问题的全部程度当折扣看不到尽头时，享受50%的折扣并不是一个不容错过的机会。</blockquote></p><p> Prosus is one of the most valuable tech companies listed in Europeby virtue of its big stakein Chinese internet giant Tencent, bought two decades ago for $34 million and now worth $216 billion, even after two share sales. The Amsterdam-based company also owns a portfolio of e-commerce startups that, like Tencent, have mainly thrived during the pandemic. Prosus revealed an estimate by Deloitte of their valuation for the first time Monday. According to the accounting firm, they are worth in aggregate $39 billion, up from roughly $20 billion a year ago.</p><p><blockquote>Prosus是欧洲上市的最有价值的科技公司之一，因为它持有中国互联网巨头腾讯控股的大量股份，20年前以3400万美元的价格收购了该公司，即使在两次股票出售后，该公司现在的价值仍为2160亿美元。这家总部位于阿姆斯特丹的公司还拥有一系列电子商务初创公司，这些公司与腾讯控股一样，主要在疫情期间蓬勃发展。Prosus周一首次披露了德勤对其估值的估计。据该会计师事务所称，他们的总价值为390亿美元，高于一年前的约200亿美元。</blockquote></p><p> The strong valuation is a double-edged sword. It suggests that Prosus’ operations are headed in the right direction, but it also lays painfully bare the gulf between their value and its stock price. If you add the $39 billion to $216 billion for the Tencent stake, roughly $1 billion for a similar minority stake in Russian internet company Mail.ru and almost $12 billion in net cash, you get an implied equity value of $268 billion for Prosus. Its market capitalization is just $162 billion—a discount of 39%.</p><p><blockquote>强劲的估值是一把双刃剑。这表明Prosus的运营正朝着正确的方向发展，但也痛苦地暴露了其价值与其股价之间的差距。如果你加上390亿至2160亿美元的腾讯控股股份、大约10亿美元的俄罗斯互联网公司Mail.ru类似少数股权以及近120亿美元的净现金，你会得到Prosus的隐含股权价值为2680亿美元。其市值仅为1620亿美元，折价39%。</blockquote></p><p> The gap widens further if you step further up the ownership chain. Prosus is majority-owned by South African holding companyNaspers,NPSNY-0.70%whose shares trade roughly 23% below the value of its Prosus stake. Overall, Naspers shareholders are getting less than half the value of the internet businesses and stakes owned by Prosus.</p><p><blockquote>如果你在所有权链上走得更远，差距会进一步扩大。Prosus的多数股权由南非控股公司Naspers(NPSNY-0.70%)持有，该公司的股价比其Prosus股份的价值低约23%。总体而言，Naspers股东获得的互联网业务和股份价值还不到Prosus拥有的一半。</blockquote></p><p> Such financial inefficiency might present an opportunity if the reasons weren’t so intractable. Naspers, which built the portfolio,spun Prosus offto reduce its own heavy weighting on the South African stock market, which gave portfolio managers an ongoing technical reason to sell its stock. Less than two years later, Naspers is as dominant on the exchange as ever.</p><p><blockquote>如果原因不那么棘手的话，这种财务效率低下可能会带来一个机会。建立该投资组合的Naspers剥离了Prosus，以减少其在南非股市的权重，这为投资组合经理提供了出售其股票的持续技术理由。不到两年后，Naspers在交易所一如既往地占据主导地位。</blockquote></p><p> Prosus and Naspers have a new plan to address the problem, involving a cross-shareholding structure that will end in Prosus owning almost half of Naspers. The project received pushback from investors partly for its complexity, forcing the company to issue a public defense. Shareholders vote on the deal next month.</p><p><blockquote>Prosus和Naspers制定了一项新计划来解决这个问题，其中涉及交叉持股结构，最终Prosus将拥有Naspers近一半的股份。该项目遭到投资者的抵制，部分原因是其复杂性，迫使该公司发表公开辩护。股东将于下个月对该交易进行投票。</blockquote></p><p> Complexity may itself be one reason for the discount problem at Naspers and Prosus: Tying themselves in knots to answer one question just raises more. The only real resolution is a breakup, but the companies need their Tencent shares to fund bets on cash-draining industries like food delivery. They raised $14.6 billion by selling just 2% in April.</p><p><blockquote>复杂性本身可能就是Naspers和Prosus折扣问题的一个原因：为了回答一个问题而束缚自己只会引发更多问题。唯一真正的解决方案是分拆，但这些公司需要持有腾讯控股股票来为对食品配送等现金流失行业的押注提供资金。4月份，他们仅出售2%的股份就筹集了146亿美元。</blockquote></p><p> Naspers and Prosus have an attractive portfolio, but investors can’t expect the current strategy to deliver anything close to full value for it.</p><p><blockquote>Naspers和Prosus拥有有吸引力的投资组合，但投资者不能指望当前的策略能够为其带来任何接近全部价值的东西。</blockquote></p><p></p>","collect":0,"html":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<html>\n<head>\n<meta http-equiv=\"Content-Type\" content=\"text/html; charset=utf-8\" />\n<meta name=\"viewport\" content=\"width=device-width,initial-scale=1.0,minimum-scale=1.0,maximum-scale=1.0,user-scalable=no\"/>\n<meta name=\"format-detection\" content=\"telephone=no,email=no,address=no\" />\n<title>This Big Tech Stock Is Always on Sale<blockquote>这只大型科技股总是在打折</blockquote></title>\n<style type=\"text/css\">\na,abbr,acronym,address,applet,article,aside,audio,b,big,blockquote,body,canvas,caption,center,cite,code,dd,del,details,dfn,div,dl,dt,\nem,embed,fieldset,figcaption,figure,footer,form,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,header,hgroup,html,i,iframe,img,ins,kbd,label,legend,li,mark,menu,nav,\nobject,ol,output,p,pre,q,ruby,s,samp,section,small,span,strike,strong,sub,summary,sup,table,tbody,td,tfoot,th,thead,time,tr,tt,u,ul,var,video{ font:inherit;margin:0;padding:0;vertical-align:baseline;border:0 }\nbody{ font-size:16px; line-height:1.5; color:#999; background:transparent; }\n.wrapper{ overflow:hidden;word-break:break-all;padding:10px; }\nh1,h2{ font-weight:normal; line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:.6em; }\nh3,h4,h5,h6{ line-height:1.35; margin-bottom:1em; }\nh1{ font-size:24px; }\nh2{ font-size:20px; }\nh3{ font-size:18px; }\nh4{ font-size:16px; }\nh5{ font-size:14px; }\nh6{ font-size:12px; }\np,ul,ol,blockquote,dl,table{ margin:1.2em 0; }\nul,ol{ margin-left:2em; }\nul{ list-style:disc; }\nol{ list-style:decimal; }\nli,li p{ margin:10px 0;}\nimg{ max-width:100%;display:block;margin:0 auto 1em; }\nblockquote{ color:#B5B2B1; border-left:3px solid #aaa; padding:1em; }\nstrong,b{font-weight:bold;}\nem,i{font-style:italic;}\ntable{ width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:1px;margin:1em 0;font-size:.9em; }\nth,td{ padding:5px;text-align:left;border:1px solid #aaa; }\nth{ font-weight:bold;background:#5d5d5d; }\n.symbol-link{font-weight:bold;}\n/* header{ border-bottom:1px solid #494756; } */\n.title{ margin:0 0 8px;line-height:1.3;color:#ddd; }\n.meta {color:#5e5c6d;font-size:13px;margin:0 0 .5em; }\na{text-decoration:none; color:#2a4b87;}\n.meta .head { display: inline-block; overflow: hidden}\n.head .h-thumb { width: 30px; height: 30px; margin: 0; padding: 0; border-radius: 50%; float: left;}\n.head .h-content { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 9px; float: left;}\n.head .h-name {font-size: 13px; color: #eee; margin: 0;}\n.head .h-time {font-size: 12.5px; color: #7E829C; margin: 0;}\n.small {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.9); -webkit-transform: scale(0.9); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.smaller {font-size: 12.5px; display: inline-block; transform: scale(0.8); -webkit-transform: scale(0.8); transform-origin: left; -webkit-transform-origin: left;}\n.bt-text {font-size: 12px;margin: 1.5em 0 0 0}\n.bt-text p {margin: 0}\n</style>\n</head>\n<body>\n<div class=\"wrapper\">\n<header>\n<h2 class=\"title\">\nThis Big Tech Stock Is Always on Sale<blockquote>这只大型科技股总是在打折</blockquote>\n</h2>\n<h4 class=\"meta\">\n<p class=\"head\">\n<strong class=\"h-name small\">The Wall Street Journal</strong><span class=\"h-time small\">2021-06-21 22:43</span>\n</p>\n</h4>\n</header>\n<article>\n<p>  Tencent’s anchor shareholder Prosus has revealed the value of its $39 billion portfolio of startups—and the full extent of its discount problem  <img src=\"https://static.tigerbbs.com/7190040397780616cd6d06eb9b8f423c\" tg-width=\"879\" tg-height=\"513\">Getting 50% off isn’t such an unmissable opportunity when there is no end to the discounting in sight.</p><p><blockquote>腾讯控股的主要股东Prosus透露了其390亿美元初创公司投资组合的价值以及其折扣问题的全部程度当折扣看不到尽头时，享受50%的折扣并不是一个不容错过的机会。</blockquote></p><p> Prosus is one of the most valuable tech companies listed in Europeby virtue of its big stakein Chinese internet giant Tencent, bought two decades ago for $34 million and now worth $216 billion, even after two share sales. The Amsterdam-based company also owns a portfolio of e-commerce startups that, like Tencent, have mainly thrived during the pandemic. Prosus revealed an estimate by Deloitte of their valuation for the first time Monday. According to the accounting firm, they are worth in aggregate $39 billion, up from roughly $20 billion a year ago.</p><p><blockquote>Prosus是欧洲上市的最有价值的科技公司之一，因为它持有中国互联网巨头腾讯控股的大量股份，20年前以3400万美元的价格收购了该公司，即使在两次股票出售后，该公司现在的价值仍为2160亿美元。这家总部位于阿姆斯特丹的公司还拥有一系列电子商务初创公司，这些公司与腾讯控股一样，主要在疫情期间蓬勃发展。Prosus周一首次披露了德勤对其估值的估计。据该会计师事务所称，他们的总价值为390亿美元，高于一年前的约200亿美元。</blockquote></p><p> The strong valuation is a double-edged sword. It suggests that Prosus’ operations are headed in the right direction, but it also lays painfully bare the gulf between their value and its stock price. If you add the $39 billion to $216 billion for the Tencent stake, roughly $1 billion for a similar minority stake in Russian internet company Mail.ru and almost $12 billion in net cash, you get an implied equity value of $268 billion for Prosus. Its market capitalization is just $162 billion—a discount of 39%.</p><p><blockquote>强劲的估值是一把双刃剑。这表明Prosus的运营正朝着正确的方向发展，但也痛苦地暴露了其价值与其股价之间的差距。如果你加上390亿至2160亿美元的腾讯控股股份、大约10亿美元的俄罗斯互联网公司Mail.ru类似少数股权以及近120亿美元的净现金，你会得到Prosus的隐含股权价值为2680亿美元。其市值仅为1620亿美元，折价39%。</blockquote></p><p> The gap widens further if you step further up the ownership chain. Prosus is majority-owned by South African holding companyNaspers,NPSNY-0.70%whose shares trade roughly 23% below the value of its Prosus stake. Overall, Naspers shareholders are getting less than half the value of the internet businesses and stakes owned by Prosus.</p><p><blockquote>如果你在所有权链上走得更远，差距会进一步扩大。Prosus的多数股权由南非控股公司Naspers(NPSNY-0.70%)持有，该公司的股价比其Prosus股份的价值低约23%。总体而言，Naspers股东获得的互联网业务和股份价值还不到Prosus拥有的一半。</blockquote></p><p> Such financial inefficiency might present an opportunity if the reasons weren’t so intractable. Naspers, which built the portfolio,spun Prosus offto reduce its own heavy weighting on the South African stock market, which gave portfolio managers an ongoing technical reason to sell its stock. Less than two years later, Naspers is as dominant on the exchange as ever.</p><p><blockquote>如果原因不那么棘手的话，这种财务效率低下可能会带来一个机会。建立该投资组合的Naspers剥离了Prosus，以减少其在南非股市的权重，这为投资组合经理提供了出售其股票的持续技术理由。不到两年后，Naspers在交易所一如既往地占据主导地位。</blockquote></p><p> Prosus and Naspers have a new plan to address the problem, involving a cross-shareholding structure that will end in Prosus owning almost half of Naspers. The project received pushback from investors partly for its complexity, forcing the company to issue a public defense. Shareholders vote on the deal next month.</p><p><blockquote>Prosus和Naspers制定了一项新计划来解决这个问题，其中涉及交叉持股结构，最终Prosus将拥有Naspers近一半的股份。该项目遭到投资者的抵制，部分原因是其复杂性，迫使该公司发表公开辩护。股东将于下个月对该交易进行投票。</blockquote></p><p> Complexity may itself be one reason for the discount problem at Naspers and Prosus: Tying themselves in knots to answer one question just raises more. The only real resolution is a breakup, but the companies need their Tencent shares to fund bets on cash-draining industries like food delivery. They raised $14.6 billion by selling just 2% in April.</p><p><blockquote>复杂性本身可能就是Naspers和Prosus折扣问题的一个原因：为了回答一个问题而束缚自己只会引发更多问题。唯一真正的解决方案是分拆，但这些公司需要持有腾讯控股股票来为对食品配送等现金流失行业的押注提供资金。4月份，他们仅出售2%的股份就筹集了146亿美元。</blockquote></p><p> Naspers and Prosus have an attractive portfolio, but investors can’t expect the current strategy to deliver anything close to full value for it.</p><p><blockquote>Naspers和Prosus拥有有吸引力的投资组合，但投资者不能指望当前的策略能够为其带来任何接近全部价值的东西。</blockquote></p><p></p>\n<div class=\"bt-text\">\n\n\n<p> 来源：<a href=\"https://www.wsj.com/articles/this-big-tech-stock-is-always-on-sale-11624283672\">The Wall Street Journal</a></p>\n<p>为提升您的阅读体验，我们对本页面进行了排版优化</p>\n\n\n</div>\n</article>\n</div>\n</body>\n</html>\n","type":0,"thumbnail":"","relate_stocks":{"PROSF":"Prosus NV"},"source_url":"https://www.wsj.com/articles/this-big-tech-stock-is-always-on-sale-11624283672","is_english":true,"share_image_url":"https://static.laohu8.com/e9f99090a1c2ed51c021029395664489","article_id":"1188659531","content_text":"Tencent’s anchor shareholder Prosus has revealed the value of its $39 billion portfolio of startups—and the full extent of its discount problem\n\nGetting 50% off isn’t such an unmissable opportunity when there is no end to the discounting in sight.\nProsus is one of the most valuable tech companies listed in Europeby virtue of its big stakein Chinese internet giant Tencent, bought two decades ago for $34 million and now worth $216 billion, even after two share sales. The Amsterdam-based company also owns a portfolio of e-commerce startups that, like Tencent, have mainly thrived during the pandemic. Prosus revealed an estimate by Deloitte of their valuation for the first time Monday. According to the accounting firm, they are worth in aggregate $39 billion, up from roughly $20 billion a year ago.\nThe strong valuation is a double-edged sword. It suggests that Prosus’ operations are headed in the right direction, but it also lays painfully bare the gulf between their value and its stock price. If you add the $39 billion to $216 billion for the Tencent stake, roughly $1 billion for a similar minority stake in Russian internet company Mail.ru and almost $12 billion in net cash, you get an implied equity value of $268 billion for Prosus. Its market capitalization is just $162 billion—a discount of 39%.\nThe gap widens further if you step further up the ownership chain. Prosus is majority-owned by South African holding companyNaspers,NPSNY-0.70%whose shares trade roughly 23% below the value of its Prosus stake. Overall, Naspers shareholders are getting less than half the value of the internet businesses and stakes owned by Prosus.\nSuch financial inefficiency might present an opportunity if the reasons weren’t so intractable. Naspers, which built the portfolio,spun Prosus offto reduce its own heavy weighting on the South African stock market, which gave portfolio managers an ongoing technical reason to sell its stock. Less than two years later, Naspers is as dominant on the exchange as ever.\nProsus and Naspers have a new plan to address the problem, involving a cross-shareholding structure that will end in Prosus owning almost half of Naspers. The project received pushback from investors partly for its complexity, forcing the company to issue a public defense. Shareholders vote on the deal next month.\nComplexity may itself be one reason for the discount problem at Naspers and Prosus: Tying themselves in knots to answer one question just raises more. The only real resolution is a breakup, but the companies need their Tencent shares to fund bets on cash-draining industries like food delivery. They raised $14.6 billion by selling just 2% in April.\nNaspers and Prosus have an attractive portfolio, but investors can’t expect the current strategy to deliver anything close to full value for it.","news_type":1,"symbols_score_info":{"PROSF":0.9}},"isVote":1,"tweetType":1,"viewCount":2371,"authorTweetTopStatus":1,"verified":2,"comments":[],"imageCount":0,"langContent":"EN","totalScore":0}],"defaultTab":"posts","isTTM":false}